Hi All .It has been pretty quiet lately as we are waiting until the next election draws closer.In the meantime I thought I would post one of the letters sent out to let you all know we are still here .
Regards Bill C.
Good evening Liz Sandals, Liberal MPP, Guelph
Here is a small test for you. The subjects tested will be math and history. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Part (A) - Math1.) 100% = 50% [TRUE or FALSE]
2.) 55 = 90 [TRUE or FALSE]3.)
$0 = $millions [TRUE or FALSE]
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Sorry Liz Sandals, you failed part (A).
By voting NO to Bill 116 (Pension Benefits Amendment Act (Unlocking Pension Funds)) on May 14th, 2009, you told Ontarians that each of the above equations is TRUE. By your vote you said ...........
(I) 100% access to locked-in retirement accounts for 20 Liberal MPPs is equal to 50% access to locked-in retirement accounts for all other Ontarians
(ii) 100% access at age 55 (and retired from the Legislature) for 20 Liberal MPPs is equal to 100% access at age 90 for all other Ontarians
(iii) $0 collected by the Financial Services Commission of Ontario from 20 Liberal MPPs who are allowed 100% access at age 55 is equal to $millions collected by the Financial Services Commission of Ontario from all other Ontarians who are forced to beg for additional access to their locked-in retirements, given they are denied 100% access until age 90
Liz Sandals, the numerical values in these equations are not equal.
Let's see how you do on part (.
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Part ( - History
(Quotes)1.) "I want to make it perfectly clear in this House today that I and my party will have none of it." [ACCURATE QUOTE or MISQUOTE]
2.) "Let me repeat again: It is wrong and it is immoral." [ ACCURATE QUOTE or MISQUOTE]
3.) "There's absolutely no reason in the world why members of Parliament should get access to a retirement benefit that is not available to everybody else in this province should they be in a position to have a retirement benefit."[ACCURATE QUOTE or MISQUOTE]
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Sorry again Liz Sandals, you failed Part ( also.
By voting NO to Bill 116 on May 14th, 2009 you said the statements above were all misquotes.
They are not.
They are accurate quotes of what Dalton McGuinty, Sean Conway and Michael Gravelle respectively told Ontarians in 1999 prior to the passage of Bill 27 (An Act To Amend The Pension Benefits Act And The MPPs' Pension Act). These quotes are straight from the Hansard.In 1999, 61 MPPs including 20 Liberals, courtesy of Bill 27, were allowed full unlocking of their own locked-in retirement accounts. No other Ontarians were, or ever have been, allowed this same privilege. In 1999, your party called such privilege for MPPs only ...... Totally unusual, totally outrageous, totally beyond belief, inequitable, hypocritical, wrong, immoral, offensive, a double standard etc. (See attached quotes from the Hansard ....
Spoken on the days indicated)In 2003 when your party became the government, instead of honouring your words from 1999 and revoking Bill 27 just as fast as you invoked the new health tax, you chose just to keep silent about the incredible unlocking privileges given in 1999 to 20 Liberal MPPs including Jim Bradley (former Minister Responsible for Seniors), Michael Brown, Sean Conway, Bruce Crozier, Monte Kwinter, Dalton McGuinty, Lyn McLeod, Gerry Phillips and the list goes on.
Today these 20 Liberal MPPs still have their fully unlocked locked-in retirement accounts despite Dalton McGuinty having told Ontarians on December 15th, 1999 .......... "I want to make it perfectly clear in this House today that I and my party will have none of it." Having observed you in action for many years, first as a school trustee, then as a Board Chair and finally as President of the Ontario School Boards' Association I never thought you capable of voting down legislation (Bill 116) that would guarantee equality for all, in this case equality for pensioners who own locked-in retirement accounts.
Even more disturbing is your silence since 2003 as elderly couples under the age of 90 have repeatedly been refused full access to their locked-in retirement accounts by the Financial Services Commission of Ontario (FSCO).
Sadly, after the spouses who owned these accounts have passed away though, FSCO immediately unlocks them for the surviving spouses.
Wow! By your silence you deem it proper that only a widow or widower be allowed full access to a locked-in retirement account, not full access for the elderly couple while both spouses are still living.
Such treatment of seniors is cruel beyond measure given 20 Liberal MPPs including Jim Bradley, the former Minister Responsible for Seniors are still allowed 100% access to their own locked-in retirement accounts at age 55 (and retired from the Legislature) even though your party voted NO to such privilege and your party called such privilege ...... totally unusual, totally outrageous, totally beyond belief, inequitable, hypocritical, wrong, immoral, offensive, a double standard etc.
Your colleague in both politics and education, Kitchener-Conestoga Liberal MPP, Leeanna Pendergast saw through all this hypocrisy.
She voted FOR Bill 116.
The question is ... why didn't you?If you choose not to reply, be assured many times before the next election you will be asked publicly why you support a double standard regarding locked-in retirement accounts.
"There's absolutely no reason in the world why members of Parliament should get access to a retirement benefit that is not available to everybody else in this province should they be in a position to have a retirement benefit."
Liberal MPP, Michael Gravelle ... December 14, 1999
K. Elliott
Sunday, August 16, 2009
Saturday, May 16, 2009
Nay Vote Bill 116 , Bill to unlock LIF's 100%
Here are the MPP,s that voted against unlocking locked in pensions 100% for the Retiree,s and Seniors of Ontario .
These people , I assume feel that the seniors in the province of Ontario are not as Competent as the Seniors and Retiree,s in Saskatchewan.
They feel I assume that the Seniors and Retiree.s in Ontario need them , The Liberal Government to babysit them and dole out their OWN MONEY to them as if they are children in need of supervision .
It should be noted that every vote against Bill 116 , the Bill to unlock pensions 100% for the Citizens of Ontario was a Liberal Vote.
Just one more reason this province needs a change of government.
The Nay Voters Were .
Sophia Aggelonitis , Laura Albanese , Wayne Arthures , Bas Balkissoon , Lorenzo Berardinetti , Margarett Best , Laurel C Broten , Jim Brownell , Mike Colle , Bob Delaney , Joe Dickson , Daniel Kevin Flynn , Linda Jeffrey , Kuldip Kular , Marc Jean Lalonde , Dave Levac , Reza Moridi , Gerry Phillips , Shafiq Qaadri , Khalil Ramal . Tony Ruprecht , Liz Sandals , Mario Sergio , Harinder S Takhar , Kathleen O Wynne , David Zimmer , .
The Ayes Vote Were .
Ted Arnott , PC , Ted Chudleigh , PC , Cheri DiNovo , NDP , Ernie Hardeman , PC , Jerry J. Ouellette , PC , Leeanna Pendergast , Lib. , Peter Shurman , PC .
I would also like to mention . The NDP support was very poor also as only 1 NDP member voted for Bill 116 (( Cheri DiNovo )) .
This is also disturbing as before the last election Andrea presented a Bill to unlock pensions 100% and I was assured by the Leader at that time ( Howard Hampton ) that the NDP fully supported Andrea's Bill .
It makes one realize why nobody trusts Politicians !!!
(( Now they have Flip Flopped to 50% from what I have heard ))
Sound Familiar (( McGuinty on Promises ))
Other NDP members were present for a prior Bill and were in the house that day but did not see it fit to take the time support Bill 116 .
They were Andrea Horwath , Howard Hampton , Rosario Marchese , Frances Gelinas , Paul Miller , Peter Kormos (((( Which I find very disturbing considering Peter's and Howards locked in pension's are fully unlocked 100% , curtesey of Bill 27 in 1999 )))
The PC Party has said that they support unlocking the pensions 100% , and they did have it in their platform the last election.
I am told by some that it will be on the agenda of the 2011 election.
I guess we will just have to wait and see as the turn out of the PC Party was also very disappointing for the Vote for Ted's Bill 116
These people , I assume feel that the seniors in the province of Ontario are not as Competent as the Seniors and Retiree,s in Saskatchewan.
They feel I assume that the Seniors and Retiree.s in Ontario need them , The Liberal Government to babysit them and dole out their OWN MONEY to them as if they are children in need of supervision .
It should be noted that every vote against Bill 116 , the Bill to unlock pensions 100% for the Citizens of Ontario was a Liberal Vote.
Just one more reason this province needs a change of government.
The Nay Voters Were .
Sophia Aggelonitis , Laura Albanese , Wayne Arthures , Bas Balkissoon , Lorenzo Berardinetti , Margarett Best , Laurel C Broten , Jim Brownell , Mike Colle , Bob Delaney , Joe Dickson , Daniel Kevin Flynn , Linda Jeffrey , Kuldip Kular , Marc Jean Lalonde , Dave Levac , Reza Moridi , Gerry Phillips , Shafiq Qaadri , Khalil Ramal . Tony Ruprecht , Liz Sandals , Mario Sergio , Harinder S Takhar , Kathleen O Wynne , David Zimmer , .
The Ayes Vote Were .
Ted Arnott , PC , Ted Chudleigh , PC , Cheri DiNovo , NDP , Ernie Hardeman , PC , Jerry J. Ouellette , PC , Leeanna Pendergast , Lib. , Peter Shurman , PC .
I would also like to mention . The NDP support was very poor also as only 1 NDP member voted for Bill 116 (( Cheri DiNovo )) .
This is also disturbing as before the last election Andrea presented a Bill to unlock pensions 100% and I was assured by the Leader at that time ( Howard Hampton ) that the NDP fully supported Andrea's Bill .
It makes one realize why nobody trusts Politicians !!!
(( Now they have Flip Flopped to 50% from what I have heard ))
Sound Familiar (( McGuinty on Promises ))
Other NDP members were present for a prior Bill and were in the house that day but did not see it fit to take the time support Bill 116 .
They were Andrea Horwath , Howard Hampton , Rosario Marchese , Frances Gelinas , Paul Miller , Peter Kormos (((( Which I find very disturbing considering Peter's and Howards locked in pension's are fully unlocked 100% , curtesey of Bill 27 in 1999 )))
The PC Party has said that they support unlocking the pensions 100% , and they did have it in their platform the last election.
I am told by some that it will be on the agenda of the 2011 election.
I guess we will just have to wait and see as the turn out of the PC Party was also very disappointing for the Vote for Ted's Bill 116
Thursday, May 14, 2009
Bill 116 Results
Hi All ,
The turn out for support was disappointing .
The names of the supporters were .
Ted Chudleigh PC , Ted Arnott PC , Ernie Hardeman PC , Jerry Ouelette PC , Peter Shurman PC , Cheri DiNovo NDP , Leeanna Pendergast , Liberal .
I have sent the above a thank you for their support . If any of you would like to send them a thank you ,feel free to do so .
I will list the 26 against unlocking our own money tomorrow.
Take Care Bill C
Liberals Vote Against Ontario Seniors
Government rejects Halton MPP’s campaign for respect and independence
(Queen’s Park – May 14, 2009)
Today Liberal MPPs voted against a Bill that would have given Ontario retirees more control over their own pensions.
Bill 116 was introduced by Halton MPP Ted Chudleigh and would have changed the law so that seniors could access 100% of their locked-in pension money.
Currently, retirees are only able to access half of their accrued assets.
“For too long, the government has rationed out locked-in pension money to seniors like parents giving allowance to their children,” said Chudleigh.“My Bill would have ended this disrespectful practice and given seniors the independence they have earned.
”The reason why Liberals don’t want seniors to have full access is because they think that retirees are not wise enough to manage their finances in the long-term, explained Chudleigh.
“What do you have to do to escape the McGuinty nanny-state?” asked Chudleigh.“Our seniors have proven themselves through lives that embodied responsibility and wisdom. But the McGuinty Liberals think they’ll blow all their cash and become wards of the State. That’s just insulting.
”Chudleigh pointed to successful legislation in Saskatchewan passed in 2002 that allows retirees 100% access to locked-in pensions.
“I haven’t heard of any wild and uncontrolled spending sprees by Saskatchewan seniors,” said Chudleigh.“They’re proof that the current legislation is out-of-touch with reality. Sadly, today the Liberals voted based on ideology and ignored the real concerns of their senior constituents.
”The vote on second reading on Bill 116 was lost by a count of 7-26. All votes against were from Liberal MPPs while the Bill received support from all present PC and NDP Members. MPP Leeanna Pendergast was the sole Liberal supporter of the Bill.
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For further information contact:
Ben Ellis 416-325-5747
The turn out for support was disappointing .
The names of the supporters were .
Ted Chudleigh PC , Ted Arnott PC , Ernie Hardeman PC , Jerry Ouelette PC , Peter Shurman PC , Cheri DiNovo NDP , Leeanna Pendergast , Liberal .
I have sent the above a thank you for their support . If any of you would like to send them a thank you ,feel free to do so .
I will list the 26 against unlocking our own money tomorrow.
Take Care Bill C
Liberals Vote Against Ontario Seniors
Government rejects Halton MPP’s campaign for respect and independence
(Queen’s Park – May 14, 2009)
Today Liberal MPPs voted against a Bill that would have given Ontario retirees more control over their own pensions.
Bill 116 was introduced by Halton MPP Ted Chudleigh and would have changed the law so that seniors could access 100% of their locked-in pension money.
Currently, retirees are only able to access half of their accrued assets.
“For too long, the government has rationed out locked-in pension money to seniors like parents giving allowance to their children,” said Chudleigh.“My Bill would have ended this disrespectful practice and given seniors the independence they have earned.
”The reason why Liberals don’t want seniors to have full access is because they think that retirees are not wise enough to manage their finances in the long-term, explained Chudleigh.
“What do you have to do to escape the McGuinty nanny-state?” asked Chudleigh.“Our seniors have proven themselves through lives that embodied responsibility and wisdom. But the McGuinty Liberals think they’ll blow all their cash and become wards of the State. That’s just insulting.
”Chudleigh pointed to successful legislation in Saskatchewan passed in 2002 that allows retirees 100% access to locked-in pensions.
“I haven’t heard of any wild and uncontrolled spending sprees by Saskatchewan seniors,” said Chudleigh.“They’re proof that the current legislation is out-of-touch with reality. Sadly, today the Liberals voted based on ideology and ignored the real concerns of their senior constituents.
”The vote on second reading on Bill 116 was lost by a count of 7-26. All votes against were from Liberal MPPs while the Bill received support from all present PC and NDP Members. MPP Leeanna Pendergast was the sole Liberal supporter of the Bill.
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For further information contact:
Ben Ellis 416-325-5747
Second Reading Bill 116 Time
Hi Everybody,
Second reading of Ted Chudleigh's Bill 116 .
Ted’s Bill 116 is second (of three) private members bills being debated today.
At 1pm, the House does Routine Proceedings which can take very little time or upwards of an hour and a half. Following that, each private members bill is debated for one hour.It looks like today’s Routine Proceedings will be fairly short.
So I imagine the first PMB will begin at about 1:30pm and Bill 116 will go at about 2:30pm.
Regards Bill C
Second reading of Ted Chudleigh's Bill 116 .
Ted’s Bill 116 is second (of three) private members bills being debated today.
At 1pm, the House does Routine Proceedings which can take very little time or upwards of an hour and a half. Following that, each private members bill is debated for one hour.It looks like today’s Routine Proceedings will be fairly short.
So I imagine the first PMB will begin at about 1:30pm and Bill 116 will go at about 2:30pm.
Regards Bill C
Monday, April 27, 2009
Pension Press Release
Hi Everybody ;
Feel free to pass on to your news papers and contacts .
Regards Bill C
For immediate release
Chudleigh Reads Locked-In Pension Petitions at Queen’s Park
Seniors Seek Independence and Respect through Halton MPP’s Private Members Bill
(Queen’s Park - April 27, 2009)
Today in the Ontario Legislature, PC MPP Ted Chudleigh (Halton) read into the record some of the first of hundreds of signatures which call on the Ontario government to allow retirees one hundred percent access to their locked-in pension accounts.
The McGuinty Liberals recently raised the allowed withdrawal of locked-in funds to fifty percent but Chudleigh says that doesn't go far enough.
“For too long, the government has controlled the hard-earned pension money of Ontarians, rationing out pension income like parents giving allowance to their children,” said Chudleigh. “During these trying economic times, seniors need financial flexibility not financial shackles.
”The petition calls for all-party support for Bill 116, Chudleigh’s Private Member’s Bill which would allow retirees to transfer accrued pension assets out of locked-in funds at the time of retirement, as early as age 55.
“Unlocking pensions means respect for seniors, a boost for the economy and a step towards fairness for Ontario and all its citizens,” said Chudleigh. “It is an optimistic idea that places faith in the individual above the heavy hand of government.
”Chudleigh said that the current system assumes that seniors are not responsible enough to manage their own retirement finances.
“Considering that retirees have generally shown fiscal wisdom and prudence throughout their lives, through the sound management of accounts and investments, as owners of houses and automobiles, as parents and grandparents, through community involvement, and as valued employees and employers, it is not right that they are treated with such disrespect,” said Chudleigh. “It’s time we start treating seniors like adults.
”Bill 116 will be debated in the Legislative Assembly on May 14th, 2009. Chudleigh plans to read the petition regularly before that date.
To view a copy of the petition, please visit:http://www.tedchudleigh.com/files/symlink/...onspetition.PDF
For information contact:
Ben Ellis @ 416-325-5747
Feel free to pass on to your news papers and contacts .
Regards Bill C
For immediate release
Chudleigh Reads Locked-In Pension Petitions at Queen’s Park
Seniors Seek Independence and Respect through Halton MPP’s Private Members Bill
(Queen’s Park - April 27, 2009)
Today in the Ontario Legislature, PC MPP Ted Chudleigh (Halton) read into the record some of the first of hundreds of signatures which call on the Ontario government to allow retirees one hundred percent access to their locked-in pension accounts.
The McGuinty Liberals recently raised the allowed withdrawal of locked-in funds to fifty percent but Chudleigh says that doesn't go far enough.
“For too long, the government has controlled the hard-earned pension money of Ontarians, rationing out pension income like parents giving allowance to their children,” said Chudleigh. “During these trying economic times, seniors need financial flexibility not financial shackles.
”The petition calls for all-party support for Bill 116, Chudleigh’s Private Member’s Bill which would allow retirees to transfer accrued pension assets out of locked-in funds at the time of retirement, as early as age 55.
“Unlocking pensions means respect for seniors, a boost for the economy and a step towards fairness for Ontario and all its citizens,” said Chudleigh. “It is an optimistic idea that places faith in the individual above the heavy hand of government.
”Chudleigh said that the current system assumes that seniors are not responsible enough to manage their own retirement finances.
“Considering that retirees have generally shown fiscal wisdom and prudence throughout their lives, through the sound management of accounts and investments, as owners of houses and automobiles, as parents and grandparents, through community involvement, and as valued employees and employers, it is not right that they are treated with such disrespect,” said Chudleigh. “It’s time we start treating seniors like adults.
”Bill 116 will be debated in the Legislative Assembly on May 14th, 2009. Chudleigh plans to read the petition regularly before that date.
To view a copy of the petition, please visit:http://www.tedchudleigh.com/files/symlink/...onspetition.PDF
For information contact:
Ben Ellis @ 416-325-5747
Date Change
Bill 116 Second reading date has been changed .
There has been a sudden change announced by the Speaker’s Office.
Ted’s Private Member’s Business day has been moved up one week. Therefore, Bill 116 will be debated on May 14th instead of May 7th. It seems there was some sort of scheduling error.Ted has received a good number of petitions and these will be read in the legislature starting Thursday and periodicly leading up to the second reading of Bill 116
Take Care Bill C
There has been a sudden change announced by the Speaker’s Office.
Ted’s Private Member’s Business day has been moved up one week. Therefore, Bill 116 will be debated on May 14th instead of May 7th. It seems there was some sort of scheduling error.Ted has received a good number of petitions and these will be read in the legislature starting Thursday and periodicly leading up to the second reading of Bill 116
Take Care Bill C
Monday, April 6, 2009
THANK YOU
Hi Everybody;
I would like to say a great big THANK YOU to all of you that sent in e-mails to the Premier and Finance Minister of Ontario as well as sending letters to the MPP's of all party's .
I would also like to say a BIG THANK YOU to Susan Eng and CARP for their continuing efforts in having these pensions unlocked .
I would also like to thank you for the time you have taken to go out and get petitions signed in support of Bill 116.
The petition will be read by various MPP's of the Conservative Party in the legislature starting shortly .
If you haven't sent in your petitions yet , you can send them in now. If you haven't yet got one filled out .
It is not too late . Better Late then never .
The petition can be found here . Http://www.tedchudleigh.com/petitions
Well We All have finally convinced the Liberal Government to unlock a additional 25%.
While this is a nice gesture and we are thankful this is not enough !!!!!
Why should Government be interfering in a persons own private pension savings ?? We do not need government telling us how we should set up our budget for retirement.
We in LIF pensions do not have the protection of company pension plans . We do not get Government Bail Outs .
We say how our money is invested the same as a person with a regular unlocked RRSP.
Why ???? Then should we be treated differently and have our money locked in ?
We make our own GAINS and SUFFER OUR OWN LOSSES . WE do this with no help from government .
Why then should Government be DICTATING how our money is spent during our retirement years .
LAST BUT NOT LEAST .
Why should WE and the TAX PAYER be shelling out millions of dollars to FSCO to regulate these funds.
It Just doesn't make sense . ANOTHER TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY BY GOVERNMENT !!!
Anyway . THANK YOU AGAIN for all the time you have put into this.
Bill C PS> This isn't over yet . We do not have 100% . More letters are needed to MPP's .
I would like to say a great big THANK YOU to all of you that sent in e-mails to the Premier and Finance Minister of Ontario as well as sending letters to the MPP's of all party's .
I would also like to say a BIG THANK YOU to Susan Eng and CARP for their continuing efforts in having these pensions unlocked .
I would also like to thank you for the time you have taken to go out and get petitions signed in support of Bill 116.
The petition will be read by various MPP's of the Conservative Party in the legislature starting shortly .
If you haven't sent in your petitions yet , you can send them in now. If you haven't yet got one filled out .
It is not too late . Better Late then never .
The petition can be found here . Http://www.tedchudleigh.com/petitions
Well We All have finally convinced the Liberal Government to unlock a additional 25%.
While this is a nice gesture and we are thankful this is not enough !!!!!
Why should Government be interfering in a persons own private pension savings ?? We do not need government telling us how we should set up our budget for retirement.
We in LIF pensions do not have the protection of company pension plans . We do not get Government Bail Outs .
We say how our money is invested the same as a person with a regular unlocked RRSP.
Why ???? Then should we be treated differently and have our money locked in ?
We make our own GAINS and SUFFER OUR OWN LOSSES . WE do this with no help from government .
Why then should Government be DICTATING how our money is spent during our retirement years .
LAST BUT NOT LEAST .
Why should WE and the TAX PAYER be shelling out millions of dollars to FSCO to regulate these funds.
It Just doesn't make sense . ANOTHER TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY BY GOVERNMENT !!!
Anyway . THANK YOU AGAIN for all the time you have put into this.
Bill C PS> This isn't over yet . We do not have 100% . More letters are needed to MPP's .
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